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Ray as always another monument to the preachers vanity.We worshipped in much more meager surrounding.God doesn`t care about those monstrosities.Only the vain would consider such a thing.God would likely say"you build this while my people starve.Shame on you.Where is the charitable spirit.Are you aware that vanity is one of the great sins against God".I think maybe after seeing that ,you might be he one in need of a little enlightenment.I dont make a great to do or great display for the public of my worship practice.Oh & to quote a little scripture."Judge not lest ye be judged".I find that there are many who forget the words the lord actually spoke.they are the ones that actually count,not all the so called translations which were not actually spoken by God.The word of God is just that.Im not a biblical scholar but do know that this has been expressed by God.Heed his words nt the translator.The lord actually spoke little compared to the amount of diatribe written in the bible.Im a believer.That is all that is required.

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Whomsoever shall believeth in me shall never perish.So say the lord.

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Egotarian: I am with you on this one, buddy, the "offensive" prayer was so generic that it could be interpeted as appropriate for Christians....just my opinion, JunkyardDog


-junkyarddog

Exactly JYD,  this guy was not some Hare Krishna bothering people at the airport, he was invited to the Senate to preform the opening invocation...

Oh, and by the way congratulations on your efforts to help the American democratic process work sinner... 
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Ray.The last time I heard from someone with your philosophy they called him Archie Bunker.

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Anyway guys.Is anyone making a buck in the market.Not me,everything I touch slides backward.Im about ready for a change of venue from politics& religion is an even more dangerous subject.As passionate as everyone is about politics, I can only imagine how quick they pull out their machetes over religion.There be blood letting I fear.

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Let the games begin!

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Not me, we're living close to the bone here...

And Pollie just for historical accuracy, the Muslim religion wasn't started until somewhere around 600 CE, Muhammad was born in 570 CE...
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I was just reading about oil prices & supply & demand.We are experiencing a drop for now,but the cheap prices will soon start increasing demand & we know the rest of that story from the last couple of seven or eight years.We are only experiencing this down turn because of the global & USA economy.China has had a slow down because there is less demand for their goods here.As soon as our economy picks up they will also be in demand for more oil.Now is the time to start getting our CNG in progress.We can eliminate the next crunch & boost the hell out of our economy at he same time.These things need fixed.We can argue about the rest later.The amount of money going back into to national economy instead of going overseas will in itself have a profound effect.

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Ego,They are mere upstarts.I think I can tolerate them worshipping in their country if they dont tell me I have to worship it here.I thought freedom of religion was the chief reason for settling the new world according to my history teaching in school.The Puritans made most religions in this country look very liberal.Of course then we had those paganistic Mormans that thought they should be allowed to practice poligamy.Or the Puritan Upshot Quakers.William Penn being the patriarch of that religion.How many know of Oglethorpe & what he settled & why.This country was very diverse in the beginning until a few decided to oppress new religions.They claim to cherish the constitution,allthewhile being hypocrits condemning others religions.Again with the injured party theme.Jeez.

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Oglethorpe  wasn't he the guy that work on the Prison Discipline Committee that had the idea of creating a colony of debtors in the New World. 
Guess what we're still in debt...
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He was he main settler of Georgia.

James Oglethorpe (December 22, 1696 – June 30, 1785) was a British general, a philanthropist, and was the founder of the colony of Georgia. He was born in London, the son of Sir Theophilus Oglethorpe (1650-1702) of Westbrook Place, Godalming in the county of Surrey. A social reformer in England, he hoped to resettle England's poor, especially those in debtor's prison, in the New World.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Oglethorpe

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Yes and he also banned slavery in Georgia... that was reinstated after he left office...
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Well the price of oil has came down.Gas is 2.09 here today.Expecting less than $2 before end of weekend.

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Well the price of oil has came down.Gas is 2.09 here today.Expecting less than $2 before end of weekend.

-polliesboy

Who'd a believed that back in July...?

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Im a little slow getting to this post.But I have a thought about it.

Here's an interesting excerpt for your consideration Pollie...
Here's the link just in case you want to follow-up...
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2008/1124/031.html?partner=yahoomag
Start with the Community Reinvestment Act. This piece of legislation was born in the Carter Administration, praised by President George H.W. Bush and given new priority under Bill Clinton. The act ordered banks and savings and loans to extend mortgages to racial minorities. This idea may have been well-intentioned, but it led to a bad result. Way too many risky house loans were made under threat of sanctions. The banks knew it, but what were they to do? In stepped Fannie Mae (nyse: FNM - news - people ) and Freddie Mac (nyse: FRE - news - people ), with promises to back the loans. In stepped the investment bank industry with another solution: We'll take your mortgages, securitize them, slice them into categories based on default risk, use computer models to match default risk with yield and sell them to buyers around the world.

Though this was a elide to try & help people it was taken to the extremes by white collar crime Czars.They used it as a loop hole for personal gain.they new exactly what they were doing.This can not be considered negligence.Negligence would imply they unaware & failed to understand the ramifications of their actions.Their is no doubt about the criminal intent.Not only did they make loans to racial minorities but to every bad risk they could pad the books with.Then paid theirselves huge bonuses for making their sales quotas of new loan written each monh & yearly.The reason we heard of all the golden parachutes was they bailed figuring on escaping prosecution when the scheme was exposed & the shit hit the fan so to speak.If we let them get away with this & dont confiscated their bank accounts & property,plus give stiff jail sentences & large fines,we will experience this criminal behavior in the future again.They did this in the 80s with the S&Ls.he CEO of Lincoln S& L was paying off 5 senators for favorable legislation.That was the Keating 5 which was comprised of 4 democratic senators & senator McCain.No one went to jail & McCain didn`t lose job not sure about the rest of the senators.Only new about McCain from researching him before the election.He was fairly green & was led down the path by older members of the senate.I`ll give him that much of a break.Truth be known if it was people of less stature they would all have been in jail & disgraced for life.Double standard for the rich.We are retty sure of that from watching the O.J trial.At any rate & getting back to the subject,these free rides have got to be stopped.Looking at the state of the economy after this crime I think it calls for harsh measures.they have damn near bankrupt every bank in the country,even the ones that did no wrong.This must not be allowed to be pushed off as the fault of congress or any one else.It is time to call for accountance from the perpentrators.

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Ray,I suspicioned it when I discovered that it was being manipulated by the index traders.We learned this through OPEC saying oil should not be this high because demand had not increased by that magnitude.Then Wall Street pooh pooh the manipulation theory.They`re all a bunch of lying SOBs.Now days believe what you can prove,nothing else.Wall street, big oil,war contractors & the government agencies are working in colusion to fleece & snooker the American public.They say thats it patriotic & people fear if they question it they will be called unpatriotic.I say F**k`em I`ll ask questions that get up close & personal.They are responsible for people lving or dying.That to me gives us the right to be critical.Ever hear a crook admit he was guilty til he was caught & had no other choice.Not often.

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all true!

and on that note I bid you all farewell... until we meet again.

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Ray as always another monument to the preachers vanity.We worshipped in much more meager surrounding.God doesn`t care about those monstrosities.Only the vain would consider such a thing.God would likely say"you build this while my people starve.Shame on you.Where is the charitable spirit.Are you aware that vanity is one of the great sins against God".I think maybe after seeing that ,you might be he one in need of a little enlightenment.I dont make a great to do or great display for the public of my worship practice.Oh & to quote a little scripture."Judge not lest ye be judged".I find that there are many who forget the words the lord actually spoke.they are the ones that actually count,not all the so called translations which were not actually spoken by God.The word of God is just that.Im not a biblical scholar but do know that this has been expressed by God.Heed his words nt the translator.The lord actually spoke little compared to the amount of diatribe written in the bible.Im a believer.That is all that is required.

-polliesboy

Pollie..I am just catching up on posts of the day. I applaud this post of yours. It is a simple and to the point statement that I love. In my opinion either you are a believer or not. That simple! The names of Catholic, Methodist, Protestant, Mormon, Baptist....all man given labels/names to separate ourselves from each other into our own "cliques" defined by how we choose or the leader of the church chooses to interpret the bible. Why use the labels to put ourselves into a "category" of believer?

When I attended church, I asked a few ministers ...Why can't we just call ourselves a child of God? After all...that is truly who we are in his eyes. Isn't that all that really matters? I never got a real answer.

Hope it was a good day.

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Pollie..I am just catching up on posts of the day. I applaud this post of yours. It is a simple and to the point statement that I love. In my opinion either you are a believer or not. That simple! The names of Catholic, Methodist, Protestant, Mormon, Baptist....all man given labels/names to separate ourselves from each other into our own "cliques" defined by how we choose or the leader of the church chooses to interpret the bible. Why use the labels to put ourselves into a "category" of believer?

When I attended church, I asked a few ministers ...Why can't we just call ourselves a child of God? After all...that is truly who we are in his eyes. Isn't that all that really matters? I never got a real answer.

Hope it was a good day.

-tractorgirl

may we respecfully agree to disagree...

The Roman Catholic Church has an unbroken line of successors to Saint Peter, the "Rock" upon which Jesus built his Church. Peter was the first Apostle to openly acknowledge Jesus Christ as the "Son of God".

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:13-19)

The rest of you folks (Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican, Episcopalian, Baptist (37 flavors), Reformed, etc.) are simply a bunch of malcontents and miscreants with a burr under yer saddle and a bug up yer azz.

Oh Pollie, BTW... Jesus never said one single word about NOT building a Temple to his Heavenly Father, instead he encouraged the idea. However, he took a mighty dim view of people turning the Temple into something other then was is was built for...

"And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise" (John 2:13-16).

Any other questions? I'd be delighted to get into a theological discussion this evening, particularly since I'm not feeling very ecumenical...

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Ah, the literalist at work...

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