Politics at rest.

Pollies I'm going on record now saying that if Obamas elected yo will still blame bush for every problem he creates. You will be blaming bush for the next twenty years.

Not going to fight it.Say what you like.I know your trying to aggravate.I saw the other forum at SW.Thanks.

I see me & Obama have something in common.Hes a blackman.Im the blacksheep.

NSL,I don`t know who you`ll blame it on,but I`ll be lucky to see this debt cleared up in my day,even if I live another 20 yrs.

Nah,I been called everything.Its called if you can`t stand the heat don`t go in the kitchen.Warren Buffet himself said.When it comes to who will look out for the poor & true middle class the best it always leans towards the democrat.He democrat himself.Said republicans lookout for the wealthy better,but he has no need of more more money himself.He said that even if they double taxes,he will still be a wealthy man.It makes no difference to me who does it,but I have an aversion to liars.If someone puts something in print they should expect to back it up.i have a fair memory& have been around since Trumans day.Cant remember him.I do however remember Walter Winchell.I remember Ike.Remember John Kennedy running for president against Ikes VP Nixon.Erveryone thought Kennedy would have problems because he was catholic.That was before pro life & pro choice.Abortions were only done in back alleys in dirty conditions by ex doctors that either had drinking problems,drug problems or just greedy ones.A lot were done by mid wives.Many a girl died because of complications that could have been avoided in a hospital.Anyway I remember watching kennedy being shot.I was home from work because of a car accident.Hurt my right arm when I was throw from the car.I was holding on to steering wheel.Pulled by bicep muscle so bad it had a permanant indentation .Pulled the steering wheel into an egg shape.As I sit here & think,I was 17 then,Im 62 now,but its as fresh as yesterday.I remember a 3 yrs later they called me for the draft.They pass me over because my wife was about to pop our first son.Vietnam was really starting to heat up.Another damn war we had no business in.It was to stop the aggression of communism.It was so impotant that they gave it up & North Vietnam over ran the south. Guess what.They are none the worse for it.The only ones that are worse off is the ones that owned the most.The poor are doing better.That usually the way of war.The poor man fights to protect the rich mans possessions.Don`t let anyone mislead your about all that patriotic glory hound shit.Wars are about money & power.A poor man has nothing of value to take other than his freedom.So the richer ones in power convince the poor that everyone wants to take his freedom by an act of aggression.Now I as.How much of a threat did Iraq pose to my or your freedom.None.They got in the way of the big mans oil profits.Otherwise the war would have been in Afghanistan alone,where bin laden was.Anyway,when it comes to political history in the last nearly 50 yrs,Ilived through it & remember a good portion of it.I have watch the progression of the events that shape our present & future.In the year 2000 we where in better shape than anytime in the last hundred years.Today we are teetering on the complete failure of our banking system for the first time since 1929 & for the same reason.No one was minding the store.I guess you could blame that on Clinton some kind of way.But how do you explain him balancing the budget & having a surplus & paying down the national debt.I guess you could just call that luck.He also did away with 373,000 government jobs while doing this.8 yrs later we have the biggest government labor force of all time.8yrs later we have the largest deficit ever.8 years later we have the largest national debt ever.It has actually nearly doubled in those 8yrs.Now who watch was that on.Remember for 6 of those 8 yrs a GOP president had a overwhelming GOP congress both houses.the house of representatives & the house of the senate.Now remember Clinton had a GOP house & senate also.They can say what they want,but the facts speak for themselves.I don`t have to make things up or talk about someones color or his preacher or wife or children or anything else,because I lack negative or positive things to post.The truth speaks for its self. Anyway Thanks Condosan.I appreciate you not being thin skinned.Hell you should have seen some of the heated debates in our family.Must have been twenty or twenty five at any given age that took part in debates.Now & agin they got out of hand.Have to pull a couple apart before the real damage happened.

Here let me give you a few facts about 9/11 & Iraq`s part in it.This guy admitted to masterminding the 9/11 attacks & setting up training for flight school for the suicide piolots.They took this guy into custody on 3/1/03.They had their man,yet invaded Iraq on 3/20/03 to 5/1/03.They also captured most of this guys close cohorts.Here`s the guy & an article .

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba - Confessed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed offered Monday to help persuade one of his co-defendants to leave his prison cell for a pretrial hearing at Guantanamo Bay

Here`s full article.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_guantanamo_sept11_trial

By the way this guy was captured in a raid on a camp in Pakistan.Never heard much about this fact til now.Wonder why this was kept from the front pages of the news.If they had published this fact back then,people would have questioned why we were in Iraq.Nope,kept him under wraps by Cia down at Gitanamo bay.Like I said the American people were lied to & kept in the dark.This was not an oversight or mistake.It was by design.4500 hundred American soldiers have lost their lives to protect this lie by our government.So like I said kept singing those praises & bestowing those accolades on your hero.He will become accountable in the end.

Hey Pollies you rock!!!So do all of you on this site...That's why I'm hooked.

Thing here I`m looking at today.Why should the democrats bail these sorry asses out of trouble again.Assholes just keep saying we know how to fix things.Looks like they have us in a pretty good damn fix now!!The people that have let this type of behavior go on want us to write them a blank check with no stipulations or guidance of how the money is spent.Talk about giving money to a crack whore.

What if the bailout plan doesn`t work??

Lawmakers raised doubts Monday about what would be the largest government bailout in American history, but a bigger, more terrifying question lurked right under the surface: What if it doesn’t work?

Failure, says one insider, is not an option.

“The alternative is complete financial Armageddon and a great depression,” said a former Federal Reserve official.

Seems to me that this plan could fail.The things that spurred the failure of the economy are still in place.The price of oil & the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan.Seems to me it could fail quite easily in the face of these conditions still existing.Until we get oil prices under control the economy will be under stress in my opinion.The 9 to 10 billion dollars a month the war is costing without any benefit of products is dead waste.This will keep on pulling the economy down.It has certainly not produced jobs that have helped the economy so far.Im not sure anything can save us at this time.

Every one wants to believe we can accomplish victory in the Iraq war.I ask how you can tell when you have won.There will be no treaties signed or formal surrenders like the end of WWI & WWII.The terrorist do not come from just one sector of religion.The only discernable & definite way to say you have won is by complete genocide of muslin people.That would make us no better than Hussein.So I ask.How can we tell when we have achieved victory.I know the president will tell us.That`s a comforting thought!!!

Let me give all of you something to think about.Those 401s you have prized over the last 15 or 20 years can be completely erased in 1 day.You`ll be damn glad you still have SSA in place.Not much,but it will feed you.

Ahhh just think, a blank check will be handed over to a man named Hank.

Im watching on CNBC.I think its going to have some strings attached.This thing has a real possibilty of failing period.

I believe Paulson is doing the best he can to get things fixed as best they can be fixed.He`s up against a tough task.I support his efforts.See that Paulson is a republican.He didn`t cause this,but is trying to retify it.When people do the best they can & are not prejudice to one side,I`ll give them their due.When they are selfish,I`ll give them their due also,but they wont like it.